ინტერვიუ ცნობილ ქართველ ირანისტთან ჯემშიდ გიუნაშვილთან

daibada iranSi 1310 wels. 16 wlis asakSi pirvelad naxa samSoblo da rogorc ambobs, masSi arsebuli “qarTuli safuari kidev ufro gadmofuvda”. guldawyvetiT ixsenebs, universitetis gundma opera “daisi” dadga da ver miviRe monawileoba, gadamasaxleso..

Tbilisis saxelmwifo universitetis aRmosavleTmcodneobis mesame kursis studenti gadasaxlebaSi aRmoCnda. axalgazrda, energiulma da swavlis surviliT aRtkinebulma axalgazrdam bevri akrZalvis da didi riskis miuxedavad, saqarTveloSi dawyebuli swavla taSkentSi daasrula da samecniero xarisxic miiRo mogvianebiT. D

dRes, cxovrebaSi gadatanil sirTuleebs iumoriT ixsenebs da maT kuriozoul ambebs uwodebs...

jemSid giunaSvili Jurnali `kalamis~ mkiTxvels mouTxrobs Tavisi cxovrebis erT-erT yvelaze rTul da amave dros, mniSvnelovan periodze.

_ batono jemSid, daibadeT iranSi, 1310 wels da amitom sakuTar Tavs, xumrobiT `importul xilsac~ uwodebT.

_diax, me davibade 1931 wels TeiranSi, emigrantis ojaxSi. deda myavda Zalian wignieri qali, swored man Segvaswavla qarTuli tradiciebi, qarTuli cekva, simRera, qarTulad saubari.

_ Tqven axseneT, rom daibadeT qarTveli emigrantis ojaxSi. me mainteresebs, rogoria emigrantis cxovreba iranSi da iyvnen Tu ara im periodSi iq qarTveli emigrantebi?

      _ ki, emigrantebi iyvnen, magram Zalian bevri ara. magaliTad, safrangeTSi mTeli kolonia iyo. iranSi ase ar iyo. 40-50 gvari iyo da umravlesoba _ martoxela. magaliTad, Zalian kargi ojaxi iyo guguSvilebis. dima guguSvili Cemi toli iyo da amitom Sexebis wertilebi bevri gvqonda, erTad vTamaSobdiT, erT skolaSi vswavlobdiT ( me alborsSi vswavlobdi da dima Cems paralelur klasSi iyo). mogvianebiT, dimas umcrosi Zma qalbaton salome zurabiSvilis meuRle gaxda. iyvnen iseTebic, romlebic Cvens ojaxSi xSirad modiodnen: kote fruiZe, mose natroSvili. amiran cixisTavi.. kote fruiZe gvikiTxavda qarTul wignebs, maT Soris yvelaze xSirad ninoSvilis moTxrobebs. mose natroSvili mwyemsi kaci iyo, zemo maCxaanidan da qaquca ColoyaSvilis razmSi ibrZoda. magram, moxda ise, rom mas iq aRar daedgomeboda da aRmoCnda iranSi. iranSi iyvnen aseve  vaxtangaZeebi. maT  2 qali da erTi vaJi hyavdaT. es gogoebi darCnen gauTxovrebi, radgan ase vTavaT, Zalian qarTvelebi iyvnen. Cevns ojaxSi, Zalian xSirad iSleboda sufra da qarTuli mravalJamieric xSirad ismoda.

iranSi bevrma emigrantma miiRo iranis moqalaqeoba, radgan am SemTxvevaSi maT garkveuli SeRavaTebi hqondaT. miqelaZeebi da kidev sxva qarTvelebi, romelTac SedarebiT maRali Tanamdebobebi eWiraT iranSi, eridebodnen emigrantebTan urTierTobas.

_ rogorc vici, iranul skolaSi swavlobdiT...

_ Cemi aRzrda-ganaTleba ramdenime komponentisgan Sedgeba: erT-erTi koponenti da sakmaod Zlieri aris is, rom me davamTavre iranuli skola aTi klasis CaTvliT, iq swavla fasiani iyo. Cemi Tanaklaselebi iyvnen Zalian warCinebuli ojaxebis Svilebi da Cems mSoblebs Zalian Zvirad ujdeboda es yvelaferi. rodesac Cven CamovediT TbilisSi, 1947 wels, me Semiyvanes rusul skolaSi. magram, manamde, vidre skolaSi Semiyvandnen, Cvenma naTesavma xelnawerTa institutis momavali direqtoris moadgilem, aleqsandrem, uTxra dedaCems, elene, mahmadianur samyaroSi aRzarde qristiani biWebi da exla, rusul skolaSi rogor Segyavso.  sainteresoa dedaCemis pasuxi, me ar vici xval eseni sad iqnebiano. da marTlac, Zalian male, Cven wavediT samxreT yazaxeTSi.

erTi sityviT, TbilisSi davamTavre 9-e rusuli vaJTa skola da Caviricxe universitetis aRmosavleTcodneobis fakultetis iranuli ganyofilebis I kursze.

_ universitetSi swavlis periodSi, Tqven mRerodiT universitetis gundSi.

_ universitetSi garda imisa, rom marTla Zalian maRali donis specialistebi iyvnen, Cven dros sporti, sxvadasxva sportuli RonisZiebebi, TviTSemoqmedeba da gundic iyo. am yvelafris ganviTarebas unieversitetis reqtori niko kecxoveli Zalian uwyobda xels. me gundSi vmRerodi. solomon (biWiko) gvelesiani iyo lotbari da kompozitori CirinaSvili _ musikis xelmZRvaneli. Cven gvqonda didi gundi da gvyavda kargi solistebi. qarTuli safuari jer kidev iranSi cxovrebis dros mqonda da TbilisSi es kidev ufro afuvda da gadmofuvda (icinis). Cvenma gundma dadga opera “daisi”, magram me veRar miviRe monawileoba, imitom rom gamasaxles.

_ III kursis studenti iyaviT  maSin...

_ diax, davamTavre meore kursi da mesame kursis I semestris sesiebi veRar Cavabare, radgan dekemberSi gavemgzavreT Sua aziaSi, samxreT yazaxeTSi da, Tanac rodis iciT? dekembris bolos, 25 gradusi iyo yinva. vagoni, sadac Cven viyaviT, iyo oTxRerZiani Zroxebisa da cxenebisTvis gankuTvnili, odnav gadakeTebuli adamianisTvis. Cvens vagonSi 60 suli iyo.

mxolod mindvrebSi da  dausaxlebel adgilebSi gvaCerebdnen. saWmlis mosatanad TiTo vagonidan TiTo kaci midioda da 2 didi saTliT, martivad rom vTqvaT, vedroTi, mohqonda saWmeli, romelic unda hyofnoda 60 kacs. rTulia ara?

me ar vexebi yofiT ambebs, is, rac gadasaxlebas axlavs Tan. ra Tqma unda,  gzaSi garkveuli problmebi gvqonda, ase rom, mTlad saseironod ar viyaviT wasuli (iRimis).

samxreT yazaxeTSi Casulebi, kelesis raionSi, kolmeurneoba maxdaCSi wagviyvanes. maxdaCi yazaxurad niSnavs mebambes.

Cven  kidev Tu SeiZleba rom ase iTqvas,wesierad da rbilad viyaviT gadasaxlebuli, radgan ar viyaviT saknebSi, barakebSi,  Cven Tavisufalad vcxovrobdiT 40 komlian sofelSi. ufleba gvqonda, rom TveSi erTxel, 8 kiloani amanaTi da werilebi migveRo. rasakvirvelia, cenzura amas amowmebda, bevri rame iyos werilebSi waSlili, magram faqtia, rom garkveul cnobebs, vin rogor iyo, amas vigebdiT. bevri arasasiamovno da bevric kuriozuli, ambavi iyo.

_ kuriozi mogviyeviT...

_ yazaxeTSi Cven viyaviT mebambeobis ganviTarebisTvis Sedgenili kontigenti (icinis). sxvTa Soris, Zalian uSnod iyo Sedgenili es kontigenti, umravlesoba iyo iseTi inteligenti, romelic mebambeobaSi verafers izamda. gadasaxlebaSi viyaviT isini, visac raime kavSiri gvqonda ucxoeTTan. magaliTad, CvenTan iyo inglisis “Royal electric society” wevri, eleqtroobis specialisti azerski, romelic CineTidan gamogzavnes moskovSi da moskovidan rusTavSi. azerski gadasaxlebaSi moxvda imis gamo, rom ucxoeTidan iyo Camosuli. Aaseve, gadasaxlebulebs Soris iyo akademikosi boris xvedeliZe (maSin iyo mecnierebaTa doqtori), romlis biZac dedis mxridan, ucxoeTSi iyo. kidev iyo erTi inJineri, gvarad JorJolaZe (meuRle da 3 qali hyavda), romelmac  coli rom iTxova, ar icoda, rom am qalis Zma tyved iyo namyofi da sabWoTa kavSirSi aRar dabrunebuliyo. aseTi kuriozebi bevri iyo.

_ sul ramdeni qarTuli gvari iyaviT yazaxeTSi gadasaxlebulebi?

_ 10 qarTuli gvari viyaviT iq.

_ rogorc brZaneT, Tqven (gadasaxlebulebi) iyaviT yazaxeTis mebambeobis ganviTrebisTvis Sedgenili kontigenti, aseve aRniSneT, rom gadasaxlebulebs Soris, bevri iyo inteligenciis warmomadgeneli. Aar iyo rTuli inteligenciisTvis mebambeobaSi muSaoba?

_ mogaxsenebT: yazaxeTSi Casvlidan 4 dRis Semdeg, dagvibares kolmeurneobis TavjdomaresTan. me mamas gavyevi,  marTalia, ar viyavi saWiro, magram cnobismoyvare viyavi rogorc yovelTvis.

maSasadame, Camogvamwkrives yvelani erTad, kolmeurneobis Tavmjdomare cota moSorebiT  dajda da daiwyo: “Ti STo moJeS?”

azerskim uTxra, rom mas ar moswonda iq arsebuli gayvanilobebi da maT moawesrigebda. meorem daaxloebiT  raRac aseTi Tqva, mamaCema Tqva, rom xidebi da arxebi ar givargaT da amas me gavakeTebo. amasobaSi es Tavjdomare duRdeboda da duRdeboda, duRdeboda da duRdeboda da bolos, kveselaZes (romelic germaniidan iyo da Zalian evropuli wesiT iqceoda) rom hkiTxa, Sen raRa icio da iman upasuxa, me samarTalSi var doqtorio, Tavjdomarem iyvira: “Taqoi ne nada”. erTi sityviT, aravin mebambe ar aRmoCnda.

cota xanSi, iqaurma xelmZRvanelobam gadawyvita, rom ufro mizanSewonilad gamoeyenebina es yvela Zala: iyvnen eqimebi, inJinrebi, maswavlebel-profesorebi, erTi sityviT, iyo Zalian saintereso kontigenti.

_ mogvianebiT, Tqven saragajis raionSi gadaxvediT, swored saragajidan iwyeba Tqvens cxovrebaSi erT-erTi saintereso etapi. gviambeT amis Sesaxeb.

_ saragajSi gadasaxlebuli axalgazrdebi xSirad mivmarTavdiT TxovniT stalinsa Tu berias, rom saswavleblad wasvlis ufleba moecaT da vpirdebodiT, rom  mere isev davbrundebodiT mSoblebTan. magram es werilebi ukanve brundeboda komendaturaSi. ramdenjerme gviTxres kidec, rom Cven umaRless ver vnaxavdiT. erT dResac, gazeTSi wavikiTxe informacia taSkentis aRmosavleTmcodneobis fakultetze mimdinare swavlebis SesaxebDda  gadavwyvite, rom taSkentisken ameRo gezi. vinaidan Cven SegveZlo werilis gagzavna, Tbilisis saxelmwifo universitetis reqtors niko kecxovels mivwere werili, rom gamoegzavnaT atesatati da akademiuri cnoba.

daaxloebiT erT TveSi miviRe universitetis konverti, romelSic ido Cemi atestati, cnoba da Cemi daxasiaTeba. Zalian kargi daxasiaTeba iyo. magram me ar mqonda ufleba piradapir wavsuliyavi taSkentSi. me da aramarto me, yvela CvenTagans xeli hqonda mowerili sabuTze, romlis Tanaxmadac, reglamentaciis da wesrigis darRvevis SemTxvevaSi, katorRas mogvisjidnen. me gavriske.

saragajTan axlos, iyo rkinigzis liandagi, romelic midioda taSkentisken. daaxloebiT erTi saaTi, saaTnaxevari undoda gzas. gavriske da sabargo vagons Sevaxti. yvela sabuTi Tan mqonda. Mmagram sadguramde ar vmjdarvar, ufro adre Camovxti, imitom rom SeiZleboda vinme Semxvedroda. rogorc wesrigis damrRvevs, sul meCveneboda, rom yvela me miyurebda da yvelam icoda, rom me davarRvie.

Cavedi taSkentSi da kiTxva-kiTxviT, mivedi aRmosavleTmcodenobis fakultetze. dekani iyo grigori lvoviC bandarevski, aRmosavleTis Zalian kargi istorikosi, vaCvene mas saqarTvelodan gamogzavnili atestati da cnoba. bandarevskis Zalian moewona Cemi daxasiaTeba da akademiuri moswreba da miTxra,  rom Tqven Tu apirebT CvenTan swavlas, am or kurss CagiTvliT erT kursSi, radgan, aqedan naxevari sagnebi Cvens programaSi ar Sedis da mobrZandiTo. me vuTxari, gregori gregoreviC, samwuxarod, me ar SemiZlia TqvenTan mosvla, radgan me gadasaxlebuli var meTqi.  da Tqven exla daarRvieT wesrigi da aravisgan nebarTva ar agiRiaTo? me vuTxari ara, imitom ar momcemdnen nebas meTqi.

_ ra giTxraT bandarevskim?

_ bandarevskim miTxra, rom mxolod eqsternad Cabareba SemeZlo, magram raSia exla saqme, es eqsternadi, romelic 1946 wels omSi monawile axalgazrdebisTvis gaixsna, 1953 wlamde iyo daSvebuli. mere uqmdeboda. amitom me Zalian mcire droSi unda momeswro yvela sagnis Cabareba. sxva gamosavali ar mqonda, gregori lvoviCs miveci patiosani sityva, rom Tundac samianze, yvela sagans Cavabarebdi. bandarevskim kategoriulad amikrZala maswavlebelTan Tu moswavlesTan daaaxloeba. Bman Cemi saqmis meurveoba reqtoratSi Tavis Tavze aiRo da miTxra, rom swavlis paralelurad unda memuSava _ an wignTan an aRzrdasTan unda mqonoda raime kavSiri, vinaidan mxolod mebabmeoba sakmarisi ar iyo.

komkavSiris raikomis mdivani saragajSi iyo vinme kaineikini, romelTanac Zalian axlos viyavi. erT dResac kainekinma SemomCivla, rom Tavisi aqtivisTvis wasakiTxi moxsenebebis (“stalinis moZRvreba enaTmecnierebis Sesaxeb” da `stalinis moZRvreba socialisturi ekonomikis Sesaxeb~) momzadebas garkveuli mizezebis gamo, ver axerxebda. vinaidan enaTmecnierebis sakiTxebi kargad mqonda momzadebuli universitetSi swavlis periodSi, me davexmare kaineikins moxsenebis momzadebaSi.

swored kaineikinma gamgzavna sabavSvo saxlSi aRmzrdelad _ mxolod, TviTSemoqmedebiTi mimarTulebiT. elementaruli ganaTleba musikaSi mqonda da TeiranSi sabaleto studia mqonda damTavrebuli.

sabavSvo saxlebi Sedioda ganaTlebis saministros kompetenciaSi. ase rom, me viyavi yazaxeTis ganaTlebis saministros muSaki. ai, am cnobiT, brZaneba daiwera, rom yazaxeTis ganaTlebis saministros TanamSromeli ama da am sabavSvo saxlis aRmzrdeli Cairicxos aRmosavleTmcodneobis eqsternadSi iranul-avRanur ganyofilebaze da daevalos mas wlis ganmavlobaSi yvela sagnis Cabareba. Cemi Tanakurselebi mTeli wlis ganmavlobaSi, migzavnidnen konspeqtebs da wignebs. garda amisa, saragajSi iyo saSualo zomis samkiTxvelo. am samkiTxvelosTan iyo Zalian didi saTavso, me ar vici rogor moxda, rom 1922 an 1923 wlidan saxelmwifo ekonomikuri da istoriuli gamocemebi, yvelaferi rac iyo am dargSi, erTi cali mosdioda am samkiTxvelos, magram iseve gauxsneli ido. me roca gavxseni, vnaxe, rom im wignebis avtorebis naxevari, daxvretili iyo. me kaineikini daviTanxme, rom gaekeTebinaT Taroebi da akrZaluli wigni vinmesTvis miecaT. amrigad, me mqonda politikuri da partiuli sagnebis saukeTeso biblioTeka.

erTi sityviT, Tan vmuSaobdi, Tan wignebi damqonda da Cveni gadasaxlebuli diasaxlisebi ambobdnen, deda, deda, ra biWi gagvigiJda, ra dros marqsizmiao (icinis). kviraSi orjer, saRamoobiT, e.w. “tanc plaSatkaze“ (sacekvao moedanze) akordonze vukravdi.Aamas yvelafers didi mniSvneloba hqonda. arc ki ifiqrebdnen, rom am axalgazrdas, raRac kavSirebi hqonda taSkentTan.

erTi wlis ganmavlobaSi didi riskis fasad Cavdiodi maswavleblebTan gamocdis Casabareblad. Tan iseT dReebs varCvedi, roca ar unda vyofiliyavi sabavSvo baRSi.

_ miuxedavad amdeni sirTulisa, Tqven mainc daamTavreT taSkentis aRmosavleTmcodneobis fakulteti.

_ me Cavavabre yvela gamocda. erTi samiani miviRe, erTi oTxiani da danarCeni xuTianebi. oTxiani miviRe sparsul sintaqsSi. rasakvirvelia, exla ar davwerdi aseTs, magram maSin davwere (icinis).

maSasadame, me es davamTavre. Zalian kmayofili iyo bandarevski rom ndoba gavumarTle da miTxra, rom rodesac nebas momcemdnen, mivsliyavi aRmosavleTmcodneobis fakultetze ukve rogorc TanamSromeli. magram, saqme isaa, rom, me ver mimiRebdnen aRmosavleTmcodneobis fakultetze Tundac asistentad, Tundac laborantad, imitom rom me ar mqonda iq yofnis ufleba. garda amisa, gadasaxlebulisTvis, arasando moqalaqisTvis, iseTi, garkveulwilad politikuri dargi, rogoricaa aRmosavleTmcodneoba, ar SeiZleboda.  magram me ukve mqonda umaRlesi ganaTleba.

_ diplomis aRebis Semdeg, rogor ganviTarda Tqveni cxovreba?

_ diplomis aRebis Semdeg davbrundi saragajSi. saxlSi misuls, Zalian aRelvebuli deda damxvda. miTxra, rom komendaturaSi mibarebdnen. mivedi komendaturaSi da iq mkiTxes: sad ginda iswavloo. es is periodia, roc stalini gardaicvala da es muxruWebi cota moeSva. exla raSia saqme: me var gadasaxlebuli, me sadac movewyobi, almaataSi, taSkentSi Tu sxvagan, iq viqnebi gadasaxlebuli. me Tu winaT ar SemeZlo taSkentSi Casvla, axla aRar meqneboda iqidan gamosvlis saSualeba. me vuTxari komendaturis moxeles, rom gamoeweraT taSkenti. erTi sityviT, Cavedi taSkentSi. ukve 22 wlis var da Tanac gamovlili maqvs gadasaxleba da problemebi. maSasadame, me unda vifiqro iseT profesiaze, romelic uzrunvelhyofs aramxolod Cems gamokvebas, aramed sxvisasac. amitom avirCie iseTi specialoba, romelic nebismier SemTxvevaSi gamomadgeboda. amitom, Cavabare “wisqvilis saelevatoro teqnikumSi”. teqnikumSi Zalian kargad vswavlobdi da akademiur procesSic  aqtiurad viyavi CarTuli. A 

      Aamrigad, Ddadga is periodi, roca vamTavreb teqnikums, Cavabare yvela sagani da daviwye muSaoba diplomze “kustanais elevatoris daproeqteba _ 100.000 tona xorbali” (yazaxeTSi masStabebi didia). diplomze muSaobis periodSi damibares isev komendaturaSi da miTxres, rom Tavisufali viyavi. momces sabuTi, romlis safuZvelzec unda mimeRo ukve sufTa pasporti. Aaq me davuSvi garkveuli Secdoma.

_ ra Secdomas gulisxmobT batono jemSid?

_ teqnikumis damTavrebamdeDdiplomis dacva mqonda darCenili. magram me ar davicavi. ar mekadreboda aseTi Secdoma. samagierod, maSinve mivedi bandarevskisTan da vuTxari, rom Tavisufali viyavi. bandarevskim miTxra, daiwye muSaoba da universitetSi maZieblad migiRebTo.  

daviwye pedagogad muSaoba. saRamos rusul skolaSi 8-9 klasSi rusuls vaswavlidi. Ddireqtori ambobda, rom cudi maswavlebebli ar viyavi. radgan rusulis maswavlebeli viyavi, viTvlebodi uzbekeTis ganaTlebis sistemis TanamSromelad, amitom, taSkentis universitetSi Camricxes maZieblad.

universitetSi unda damewera naSromi saxelwodebiT “determinantuli rTuli saxelebis zmnuri komponenti literaturul sparsul enaSi”. bandarevskim erTi-ori lingvistis gvari daasaxela da mkiTxa: daZlevo? sxva gamosavals ar mitovebT da davZlev meTqi.

periodulad, lingvistebTan _ ilia albertis Ze kisevTan da gaiumovTan  gavdiodi konsultaciebs. naSromze muSaobis paralelurad, taSkentis universitetis sxvadasxva krebulebSi gamovaqveyne patar-patara naSromebi. amrigad,Ppublikaciebis problemac moxsnili iyo. iranul-avRanur kaTedraze ganxilvis Semdeg, naSromi dasacavad mzad iyo. magram, taSkentSi ar iyo sabWo, amitom TbilisSi unda Cavsuliyavi. magram am dros moxda mTlad didi kuriozi.

_ kerZod?

      _ aRmosavleTmcodneobis Afakultetze muSaobisas orjer viyavi bambis krefaze: exla es ra aris: daaxloebiT 10-15 seqtembridan 10-15 noembramde yvela umaRlesi saswavleblis studenti midioda bambis krefaze. Ees savaldebulo iyo yvelasTvis. Dda warmogidgineT, orasze meti studentis ufrosad damniSnes me. Ees iyo uzarmazari skola xelmZRvanelobis.

am bambis krefis gamo, dekembris da ianvris gamocdebi gadawies erTi TviT gvian.

D    

      _ da am dros Tqven mogividaT depeSa..

_ giorgi wereTlisgan momivida depeSa: maqvs TqvenTvis Stati da macnobeT Tqveni Tanxmoba. Ees aris 22-23 dekemberi. b-n giorgis pirvel ianvramde unda aeTvisebina es Stati. me am dros bambis krefas vxelmZRvanelob da Semdeg gamocdebi maqvs Casabarebeli. amitom b-n giorgis mivwere: didi  madloba, CemTvis didi pativia,  da. aS. magram ver Camoval martamde bambis krefis gamo meTqi (icinis). dRevandeli gamocdilebidan me SemeZlo mimewera Tanxmoba da SvebulebaSi gasvla momeTxova.

mogvianebiT, disertaciis dasrulebis Semdeg, mivedi taSkentis universitettisM reqtorTan, madloba gadavuxade imisTvis, rom mis  universitetSi viyavi da vuTxari:BtaS muhamed alieviC, disertacia davamTavre, mogexsenebaT, aq sabWo ar aris, amitom, neba momeciT, cota xniT, weliwadnaxevriT, Cavide TbilisSi, davicva disertacia da vatyueb _ mere davbrundebi (icinis). dafiqrda da miTxra, ici ra Zvirfaso jemSid, me Tqven mogcemT mivlinebas anazRaurebiT, Cadi, daamTavre, miiRe diplomi, darCi cota xans saqarTveloSi da mere dabrundi, es yvelaferi universitetis xarjzeo. Ddidi madloba vuTxari da wamovedi, ra unda meTqva. Zalian cud mdgomareobaSi var, b-n giorgis ki gavugzavne, bambis gamo ver movdivar meTqi, magram exla es meore Saria (icinis).

   _ rogor moiqeciT batono jemSid?

E     _ esec kuriozia: gavida 4-5 dRe da radioSi vusmen, taS muhamed alieviCi reqtoris Tanamdebobidan ganTavisuflebuliao. mivedi axal reqtorTan da davwere gancxadeba gaSvebis Taobaze. pirveli brZaneba, romelic axalma reqtorma dawera me mgoni, es iyo giunaSvili gauSviTo (icinis).

Camovedi TbilisSi, es iyo sadRac 10 marti, Sromis wignaki maqvs, daxasiaTeba kargi maqvs, disertacia xelSi miWiravs, mivedi b-n giorgisTan da yvelaferi avuxseni. Aase miTxra, kargi qeni rom darCi, wesierad moqceulxaro. Mmagram Stati aRar aqvs.

_ ki, magram, xom hqonda Stati?

_ aiTvisa. Zalian kargi mecnieri miiRo, magram, erTi sityviT, CemTvis Stati aRar aris. batonma giorgim wamiyvana universitetis yofil  reqtorTan niko kecxovelTan (niko am dros iyo biologiis Tu sabunebismetyvelo ganyofilebis (aRar maxsovs) vice prezidenti _ akademikos-mdivani). rodesac niko kcxovelma gaigo, rom b-n giorgis CemTvis Stati aRar hqonda, Tavis ganyofilebaSi arsebuli umcros mecnier-TanamSromlis adgili gadaitana giorgi wereTlis ganyofilebaSi. Aamrigad, niko kecxovelma, meored gamikeTa saqme.

exla uyureT, Cems cxovrebaSi, Cems am mogzaurobaSi da am ambebSi, pirveli, rac aucilebalad unda aRiniSnos, aris is, rom niko kecxovelma, iv.javaxiSvilis saxelobis Tbilisis saxelmwifo universitetis reqtorma miiRo mesame kurseli gadasaxlebuli kacis gancxadeba maSin, roca, TviTon iyo akademikosi, partiis wevri da Tbilisis partiuli komitetis anda cekas wevri (sxvanairad reqtori ver iqneboda). am kacma daavala fakultets, rom damxmarebodnen da ra qna fakultetma, kerZod, daviT kobiZem da sergi jiqiam daweres Zalian kargi daxasiaTeba. im dros, es iyo garkveulwilad gmirobis tolfasi, imitom rom ar unda gaekeTebinaT maT es im viTarebaSi. meore, Zalian didi daxmareba aRmomiCina fakultetis dekanma bandarevskim: damisaxa Ggzebi, Tu ra da rogor unda gamekeTebina.Ggadis dro da giorgi wereTeli migzavnis depeSas da matyobinebs, rom CemTvis aqvs Stati. marTalia, aRar var gadasaxlebuli, magram Zalian kargi adamiani unda iyo, rom aseTi rame gaakeTo, da kidev, mivadeqiT niko kecxovels.Mman Tavisi organizaciidan misca wereTlis organizacias _ xelnawerTa instituts Tavisi Stati imisTvis, rom me aveyvane. Ggavida cota dro da jemSid giunaSvilma daicva disertacia. Cemi oponentebi iyvnen daviT kobiZe da leila TuSiSvili. cota xnis Semdeg, batoni giorgis rCeviT, Cemi disertacia statiad movamzade da daibeWda enaTmecnierebis institutis Sromebis aRmosavlur seriaSi.

me Cvens dRevandel saubarSi ar Sevexe imas, rac Zalian mtkivneuli iyo, Zalian Znelad asatani. me gavamaxvile yuradReba im faqtebsa da movlenebze, romlebmac xeli Seuwyves jemSid giunaSvils, rom gamxdariyo damwyebi mecnieri.

_ samomavlo gegmebis Sesaxebac gviTxariT. vici wignze muSaobT.

_ exla sparsul enaze mzaddeba SedarebiT patara wigni,  saxelwodebiT `rCeuli narkvevevbi iranistikisa da qarTul-iranul istoriul-kulturul urTierTobebs Soris~.

_ da bolos, ras etyviT Jurnal `kalamis~ mkiTxvels?

_ me minda, rom Cveni saubari axalgazrdebma gaiTvaliswinon. rodesac gaqvs swored dasaxuli mizani, rodesac wvalob da Sromob, aucileblad dagifasdeba. yovelTvis moiZebneba cxovrebaSi da sazogadoebaSi iseTi adamianebi, romlebic xels Segiwyoben da dagexmarebian miznis miRwevaSi.

Jurnali “kalami” #13, 2012 w.

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